Comments on: Does XP/Scrum Violate the “Agile Manifesto”? http://softwaremaestro.wordpress.com/2007/07/02/does-xpscrum-violate-the-agile-manifesto/ Examining the latest and best software practices today, with a critical (and humorous) look at XP/Agile/Scrum Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:58:09 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Agile Advice - Working With Agile Methods (Scrum, XP, Lean) » Blog Archive » Agile is Not Communism http://softwaremaestro.wordpress.com/2007/07/02/does-xpscrum-violate-the-agile-manifesto/#comment-436 Agile Advice - Working With Agile Methods (Scrum, XP, Lean) » Blog Archive » Agile is Not Communism Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:58:09 +0000 http://softwaremaestro.wordpress.com/2007/07/02/does-xpscrum-violate-the-agile-manifesto/#comment-436 [...] Does Scrum/XP Violate the Agile Manifesto? The Agile Method and Other Fairy Tales: QED [...] [...] Does Scrum/XP Violate the Agile Manifesto? The Agile Method and Other Fairy Tales: QED [...]

]]> By: Software Maestro http://softwaremaestro.wordpress.com/2007/07/02/does-xpscrum-violate-the-agile-manifesto/#comment-15 Software Maestro Mon, 02 Jul 2007 19:09:14 +0000 http://softwaremaestro.wordpress.com/2007/07/02/does-xpscrum-violate-the-agile-manifesto/#comment-15 Hello Hrladge; This page is about agile and the loss of individuality, not scrum. You might want to post your comment on the Scrum Master Jar Jar page which is probably what you meant to do. Self management of the team is another questionable idea that will be dealt with in another blog entry at some point. Appreciate your comments Software Maestro Hello Hrladge;
This page is about agile and the loss of individuality, not scrum. You might want to post your comment on the Scrum Master Jar Jar page which is probably what you meant to do.
Self management of the team is another questionable idea that will be dealt with in another blog entry at some point.

Appreciate your comments
Software Maestro

]]> By: hlarledge http://softwaremaestro.wordpress.com/2007/07/02/does-xpscrum-violate-the-agile-manifesto/#comment-14 hlarledge Mon, 02 Jul 2007 18:33:49 +0000 http://softwaremaestro.wordpress.com/2007/07/02/does-xpscrum-violate-the-agile-manifesto/#comment-14 Scrum is all about the team and self-management by the team. The process merely provides guidelines to help the team communicate better. I suggest that you research Scrum more before bashing it. Scrum is all about the team and self-management by the team. The process merely provides guidelines to help the team communicate better. I suggest that you research Scrum more before bashing it.

]]> By: Software Maestro http://softwaremaestro.wordpress.com/2007/07/02/does-xpscrum-violate-the-agile-manifesto/#comment-12 Software Maestro Mon, 02 Jul 2007 11:23:27 +0000 http://softwaremaestro.wordpress.com/2007/07/02/does-xpscrum-violate-the-agile-manifesto/#comment-12 You're falling into the pattern of labeling everything "good" as Agile; that's just wordplay; check out "Rhetorical Anti-Patterns in XP" http://www.hacknot.info/hacknot/action/showEntry?eid=51 If you like my blog feel free to share the links etc... :) S.M. You’re falling into the pattern of labeling everything “good” as Agile; that’s just wordplay; check out “Rhetorical Anti-Patterns in XP”
http://www.hacknot.info/hacknot/action/showEntry?eid=51
If you like my blog feel free to share the links etc… :)
S.M.

]]> By: agiledeveloper http://softwaremaestro.wordpress.com/2007/07/02/does-xpscrum-violate-the-agile-manifesto/#comment-11 agiledeveloper Mon, 02 Jul 2007 11:13:15 +0000 http://softwaremaestro.wordpress.com/2007/07/02/does-xpscrum-violate-the-agile-manifesto/#comment-11 Mm ... Wouldn't all Agile processes benefit from the Hippie girls and patchouli oil! I'd check out Scott Ambler's writings; off the sidebar of my blog. His assertion that Agile is just a mindset is one that I agree with. (His articles have some fantastic content too!) Please keep up the fine work ... I am enjoying your blog a great deal. Dan Mm … Wouldn’t all Agile processes benefit from the Hippie girls and patchouli oil! I’d check out Scott Ambler’s writings; off the sidebar of my blog. His assertion that Agile is just a mindset is one that I agree with. (His articles have some fantastic content too!)

Please keep up the fine work … I am enjoying your blog a great deal.

Dan

]]> By: Software Maestro http://softwaremaestro.wordpress.com/2007/07/02/does-xpscrum-violate-the-agile-manifesto/#comment-10 Software Maestro Mon, 02 Jul 2007 11:04:41 +0000 http://softwaremaestro.wordpress.com/2007/07/02/does-xpscrum-violate-the-agile-manifesto/#comment-10 Hi Dan... Well Agile as Jellyfish is a topic for another blog entry. It becomes impossible to "refute" agile since everyone "morphs" it into what they want it to be; I am sticking to the "classical/canonical XP 2nd edition (which allows for "some" documentation). By holdout I mean they would threaten to quit not that they are holding out by grudgingly acquiescing which seems to be the situation you describe... A or B question was just the hook for this story; the meat is in the second half where I show many cases of Agile as communal and anti individual but without the hippie girls and patchouli oil... As far as Mind Trick I'm sure that the Jedi mind trick will only work on junior programmers; Senior one's have more Mind Resistance Also attempting to Mind Trick the team members is just another instance of Scrum Lord Binks trying to control the proletariat by imposing their will using supernatural powers, further ignoring and eroding the rights of the individual; at that point they are just a clone to be bent according to the will of the State. And finally I dont think occasional help over the shoulder is pair programming; that's just normal working shoulder to shoulder something that's been along for a long time Best! S.M. Hi Dan… Well Agile as Jellyfish is a topic for another blog entry. It becomes impossible to “refute” agile since everyone “morphs” it into what they want it to be; I am sticking to the “classical/canonical XP 2nd edition (which allows for “some” documentation).
By holdout I mean they would threaten to quit not that they are holding out by grudgingly acquiescing which seems to be the situation you describe…
A or B question was just the hook for this story; the meat is in the second half where I show many cases of Agile as communal and anti individual but without the hippie girls and patchouli oil…
As far as Mind Trick I’m sure that the Jedi mind trick will only work on junior programmers; Senior one’s have more Mind Resistance
Also attempting to Mind Trick the team members is just another instance of Scrum Lord Binks trying to control the proletariat by imposing their will using supernatural powers, further ignoring and eroding the rights of the individual; at that point they are just a clone to be bent according to the will of the State. And finally I dont think occasional help over the shoulder is pair programming; that’s just normal working shoulder to shoulder something that’s been along for a long time
Best!
S.M.

]]> By: agiledeveloper http://softwaremaestro.wordpress.com/2007/07/02/does-xpscrum-violate-the-agile-manifesto/#comment-9 agiledeveloper Mon, 02 Jul 2007 10:55:51 +0000 http://softwaremaestro.wordpress.com/2007/07/02/does-xpscrum-violate-the-agile-manifesto/#comment-9 Me again! I think you might benefit from using a Pirates of the Caribbean philosophy here Maestro ... Using my best Captain Barbosa voice "The code (software development process) is not a hard and fast rule it's more like guidelines." Your SD Process is just that "Yours" ... tailor it because at the end of the day it is you and your team that have to live it. I have found the biggest XP holdout will gladly accept some help over his or her shoulder when they are huffing and puffing at some code problem. (think Jedi mind trick ... this WAS the programming paradigm you wanted to try!) Kindness, Dan Me again!

I think you might benefit from using a Pirates of the Caribbean philosophy here Maestro …

Using my best Captain Barbosa voice “The code (software development process) is not a hard and fast rule it’s more like guidelines.”

Your SD Process is just that “Yours” … tailor it because at the end of the day it is you and your team that have to live it.

I have found the biggest XP holdout will gladly accept some help over his or her shoulder when they are huffing and puffing at some code problem. (think Jedi mind trick … this WAS the programming paradigm you wanted to try!)

Kindness,

Dan

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